http://www.synthesisers.co.uk/Tyros4_review.html

john

"Conclusion
I really can not fit in all the features, sound, styles and everything that is going on in the Tyros 4 as it really is simply so powerful. I think the are a few simple ways to sum it up. I believe anyone who hears this keyboard and questions if it is better than a Tyros 3 can not hear what everyone else can hear. It simply blows the Tyros 3 away. After 2 years of development I would not have thought such changes could have happened but Yamaha have done it again. My advice is to get your wallet ready as you will struggle not to want one"

And the very last line after the paragraph posted by Donny:

Yamaha Tyros 4 review by synthesisers.co.uk Preston Lancs Call 01772 722468 for advice and pricing

btw do you think it was a honest review or a biased one?

When you play a T4 right next to a T3, you will be able to make that decision for yourselves. But sadly, here at SZ, a 'biased' review is anything you don't agree with, and an 'honest' one is where they come to the same conclusion as you...

Personally, I would prefer to read something by someone that has nothing to GAIN by extolling a product. But that's just me... This might be better described as an 'advertisement' given the sales pitch at the end. Now, that doesn't mean it is not ACCURATE, but once you put in, in effect 'It's G-R-E-A-T!.... (call me!)' you've given up your right to call it 'unbiased'.

Pretty soon we'll hear the real deal reviews buy owners who have turned in their T3's for a T4......nothing like hearing it from the consumers for the truth. Especially after they laid out so much money.

Thanks for the link, John...it's nice to see the dealers are extremely pleased with the Tyros4.

Everyone, dealers or not, that has heard the Tyros4, has been literally blown away.

Such a fantastic sounding instrument should sell very well, so the dealers should have every right to be pleased.

The guys at Yamaha home office, here in Canada, including those who did not work in the keyboard department, were astonished at the sounds and styles emanating from the Tyros4...even the guitar guys were very impressed.

Looks more and more likely that I'm getting one...still have to spend some actual time on it, but what I've heard so far is very convincing.

Ian

"...I believe anyone who hears this keyboard and questions if it is better than a Tyros 3 can not hear what everyone else can hear. It simply blows the Tyros 3 away."

I would question the validity of this statement. Everything I have heard on the T4 thus far I wouldn't say "blows" the T3 away at all. They still do sound similar with the exception of some additional new sounds on the T4 as well as installing some "gloss" over what was already exceptional in the first place.

No doubt about it, the T4 sounds like fantastic board but certainly the T3 wouldn't sound out of place next to it.

I feel bad for anyone that bought a Tyros3 in recent months...I hope they can salvage some cost when upgrading....Yamaha should compensate highly for T3/T4 upgrades.This quick turnaround could put a damper on loyal owners feelings in the future...is this their pattern?

The dealers were all blown away by the T3 when it came out, and the T2, and the T1...

What we as consumers are left to sort out is, exactly HOW good is the jump..? While each release IS a bit better than the previous, SOME of them make bigger leaps than others. Those are the models that get the best sales, not necessarily what the dealers WANT you to buy (they want you to buy every last one of them!).

If you trusted a dealer to tell you how good the new Tyros is/was, you'd have bought them ALL

i do wish they had just chose to update the Tyros 3, even if you had to pay a few hundred for the update. Had I have paid £4000 two years ago I would be a bit miffed.

Updates are software... as easily swapped and copied as styles are. Tough to make any decent money on something that people can easily pirate.

Small changes is another way of cloaking old parts and reduce stock inventory...

I believe it will sound fantastic, but I don't know how much better compared to T3.

On one end, if it is only a little better than the T3, it will ease the mind of the many people who bought a T3 recently. If it is leaps and bounds better, they will cry tears as big as October cabbages.

I posted my laconic comment not aimed at you Donny, but at the "reviewer". Diki did a much better job at articulating my feelings about the last line.

trident thats ok.....no offense taken...

But I'm still laughing at
"they will cry tears as big as October cabbages.?"


OPA!!!!!

Ketron have managed it although they are not making money out of it just yet, despite the major upgrade recently. The USB update only works on one Audya, Future styles will most likely be the same and will only work with the Audya you purchased the style for.

I have a feeling that those who have managed to download it illegally will run into problems when trying to buy styles and will end up having to get their own genuine USB drive anyway.

And nothing in the review about the drums ...

Correct.

The Tyros4 just blew them further away...that's all.

http://www.synthesizer.co.uk/ is an online shop that wants to sell as much T4's as possible..

I think biased is the wrong word here. As an opinion this review holds absolutely no value at all.

Tough some of the facts might be true.

Thanks Donny.
BTW if the OPA at the end meant that you thought the "cabbages" line is of Greek origin, it is not. I got it from the intro of a British movie... Lock, stock & two smoking barrels

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE7Jzod0Cr4

Triden...I just like screaming OPA!!!! makes ya feel good

One would think that any company would want to sell as many Tyros4 as possible...what would be the alternative?

Sell as few as possible? Duh!

Comparing their review with several others by non-retailers, makes it clear that they feel the same positive way about the Tyros4.

Ian

Ok Tyros 4 excitement is over........so when dos the new S series come out next?...
S920?

Are you trying to tell me that this review is objective?

If thats the case then i know how to value your statements about Yamaha...

Not too many years ago I had to write product reviews for local and regional magazines. It was a lousy job. There were certain rules that had to be followed or you would quickly find yourself out of a job.

Rule #1 was easy to follow. The review had to be a product that was manufactured by an advertiser.

Rule #2 was a bit more difficult. We were not allowed to write anything derogatory about the product--only positive features. If there were any negative features, they were to be ignored.

Consequently, there were times that I refused to write a product review on certain products--they were just lousy products, therefore I didn't write anything at all. Kinda' like my parents always said to me when I was a little kid "If you can't say something nice about someone--don't say anything at all!"

Was the T4 review unbiased? Not likely. Was it honest? Probably.

Keep in mind that you cannot write an honest review of a product that you have never seen, touched or used--it's just not possible. Sure, you can look at all the technical specifications, promoted features and draw some minor conclusions, but you CANNOT write an honest review without actually exploring the machine.

Therefore, when Frank gets one in his store that I can see, touch, hear and play I review it in his store, make an assessment in my aging brain, and do one of two things. I'll either thank him for allowing me to take a test drive and go home. Or, I'll thank him for allowing me to take a test drive, and write him a check and take the keyboard home.

I've never been a big fan of demos because they are usually done by individuals that are extremely talented and know the product inside and out. Demos give you an idea what can be accomplished in the hands of a highly skilled individual, but what I, and most other consumers, need to determine is what WE are capable of doing with the product.

Keep us posted Frank. Audioworks is just 6 to 7 hours drive time for me--a worthwhile trip for a purchase of this magnitude.

Cheers,

Gary

Gary some weekday pick me & Fran up North on the way up to Conn on I-95 and well make a day of it at Franks.....Breakfast is on me ok?..

Certainly not...but that doesn't mean it's not honest.

May I point out that "synthesisers" may have a web site but that is just the online presence of a fully functioning retail outlet (Hamiltons of Preston) which I pass most days whilst commuting, and have used sometimes. They are certainly not a bunch of anonymous and unknown box shifters, they do know their stuff.

But you do need to read the review with the knowledge that (I believe) they are official Yamaha and Roland dealers. I've seen some serious Korg stuff in there as well. I think the review is genuine but will have been written by someone who will be trying to sell the product and so naturally is going to "accentuate the positive".

Of course they'd love to shift bucketloads of Tyros 4's - when all is said and done that's their job, but doing that around here in the current economic climate it going to be a very hard task no matter how astonishing the Tyros proves to be.

As ever the opinions I'll trust most will be (a) my own and (b) anyone else on this forum. I haven't seen any publicity locally about demonstrations but if I get the chance I'll try to attend. Regrettably I'll still only be able to afford one by winning the lottery!

Guess what. There are two T4 demo's in my area - one at Hamiltons - the last week of October.

Which is school holiday week here, so I will be in Scotland at the time!!!

I'm trying to see if there's a demo in the Edinburgh area at this time, no joy so far.

review? it's more of a preview....